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goldfinger · Oct 14, 2005, 06:23 AM // 06:23

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Originally Posted by Eonwe

So why are two warriors 1v1'ing again? Am I missing the point here?

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And why exactly would i as a warrior want to target another warrior again....?

Translation "We are incapable of abstract thought"

Gamesguy · Oct 14, 2005, 10:01 AM // 10:01

Axe has a higher DPS AND has higher armor+hp due to shield. Aftershock does jack shit against warriors, Axe wins.

GreatLich · Oct 14, 2005, 01:33 PM // 13:33

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Originally Posted by Slade xTekno

What are you, forty? Some of us haven't lived on the internet since it was created.

If you insult us anymore, we can simply report you. I have the first paragraph in the quote above the prove it.

We're doing it for the sake of the argument you are trying so hard to quash.
There is a discussion now, so contribute or get out.

I simply thought and got a one-liner.

Who is "we", Slade xTekno? You called me "retarded", don't make it sound like the entire forums is respresented by you.

Please show where I insult you and I'll show where you insulted me.
*hint* a question is not an insult, sometimes it can be.
When you are "insulted" by me asking if you were twelve; tells me something about your personality.

Unfortunately, you have not thought. and this heap of posts is hardly a discussion. For argument's sake, go somewhere else...

Yukito Kunisaki · Oct 14, 2005, 03:08 PM // 15:08

Batman always wins...

Guizzy · Oct 14, 2005, 03:13 PM // 15:13

Can someone please compare Axe warriors to Nazis so this thread can end? (Ax-is Warriors?)

Godwin's Law FTW!

Darkest Dawn · Oct 14, 2005, 07:16 PM // 19:16

I find this type of thread interesting. Can't those who don't just skip over it without feeling the need to point out how they dislike it?

I read many threads, find them boring or "useless" to me. However, I just move on. Why bother responding?

As for the OP's question -- I find that the ax build tends to win out against the hammer build since the main use of knockdowns are interrupts. I have gone against quite a few hammer builds during GvG matches and haven't yet gotten beat one on one with one exception. I find myself in a fair amount of 1v1 situations in GvG. So I think this is a relevent question.

On the other hand, Hammer builds will utterly destroy my elementalist -- and fast!

Guardian of the Light · Oct 14, 2005, 10:53 PM // 22:53

Adding to the post I made above heres all the conditions u can inflict with each weapon.

Ax: Deep Wound, Weakness(need deep wound on the person), Cripple (need deep wound on the person)

Hammer: Weakness, Blindness (need to knockdown) Deep Wound (Need to Knock Down)

Sword:Bleeding, Deep Wound (Need Bleeding on person), Cripple.

Remember Hammer Conditions are the hardest to do because your target needs to be knocked down and even if u have some pactice u can oly do one condtion (over then Weakness) because your target probably will be up before u cna exicute the next condtion skill.

If you have 2 warriors in a group (in a regular build) I think u should have 1 sword and 1 hammer guy because then u can inflict all the Warrior conditions

Alone) · Oct 15, 2005, 12:20 AM // 00:20

Ahh the conflicts that do not help Prophecies Heleus is funny. Useless.

Anyways, getting to the point. If you have two warriors, each with same hp, same armor, both max damage weapons, not using attributes, no skills, I would think that the Hammer would win. Notice how I didn't say anything yet about the shields.

I'm at work right now, so can't really test anything out. But my reason being is the overall damage compared to the axe. Axe has a 6-28. So it's very ranged. As with the Hammer, it has a higher range. Of course speed is a great factor.

Maybe more to come later.

Besides. Gambit = teh pwnzage. (x-men)

pagansaint · Oct 15, 2005, 01:11 AM // 01:11

Actually Yukito is the winner here...

BATMAN always wins...

I'm sorry, I have a life outside ICQ and the internet. My Bad. Ridicule me some more for... not living on my computer?

And Actually been on the net for about 10 years, but I'm neither a trekky nor a net geek... So yes. Mock me.

Slade xTekno · Oct 15, 2005, 05:10 PM // 17:10

Hmm, you're right. I just tried AS on a Warrior and got around 80dmg. I guess I'm just used to hitting casters...

The Axe Warrior could simply bring Balanced Stance, but the Hammer Warrior could bring Wild Blow.

I am still amused at the concept of two Warriors, one Axe and one Hammer, just beating on each other without skills, stances, etc.

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Originally Posted by GreatLich

Who is "we", Slade xTekno? You called me "retarded", don't make it sound like the entire forums is respresented by you.

Please show where I insult you and I'll show where you insulted me.
*hint* a question is not an insult, sometimes it can be.
When you are "insulted" by me asking if you were twelve; tells me something about your personality.

Unfortunately, you have not thought. and this heap of posts is hardly a discussion. For 's sake, go somewhere else...

I'm sorry, Dr. Phil. I'll make sure not to offend you over the internet again.

I'm sure the forums on which "the Enterprise" is a suitable response facilitate much discussion. Please return there and leave us to our "heap of posts." I'm still shocked that you can say all that while still not having contributed to the topic.

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Originally Posted by pagansaint

Actually Yukito is the winner here...

BATMAN always wins...

I'm sorry, I have a life outside ICQ and the internet. My Bad. Ridicule me some more for... not living on my computer?

And Actually been on the net for about 10 years, but I'm neither a trekky nor a net geek... So yes. Mock me.

/mock

I've been on for eight years now, but I'm just into anime... ^_^;

Yukito Kunisaki · Oct 15, 2005, 05:20 PM // 17:20

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Originally Posted by pagansaint

Actually Yukito is the winner here...

BATMAN always wins...

I'm sorry, I have a life outside ICQ and the internet. My Bad. Ridicule me some more for... not living on my computer?

And Actually been on the net for about 10 years, but I'm neither a trekky nor a net geek... So yes. Mock me.

/salute

GreatLich · Oct 15, 2005, 07:37 PM // 19:37

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Originally Posted by Slade xTekno

I'm sorry, I'll make sure not to offend you over the internet again.

Thanks, all I wanted to hear.

Dargull · Oct 16, 2005, 04:39 AM // 04:39

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Originally Posted by Guizzy

Can someone please compare Axe warriors to Nazis so this thread can end? (Ax-is Warriors?)

Godwin's Law FTW!

So you have been on the net for quite some years huh?

Bry-Guy · Oct 17, 2005, 01:03 AM // 01:03

if your talking just a hammer with hammer skills vs a axe with axe skills, hammer would win for two reasons. counterblow+belly smash

entropy · Oct 17, 2005, 09:56 PM // 21:56

OMG Some mod pls close this thread. Its pointless and just plain dumb. this is devolving into counters which is just stupid.

Mgz · Oct 20, 2005, 08:18 AM // 08:18

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Originally Posted by Eonwe

So why are two warriors 1v1'ing again? Am I missing the point here?

Survivor Guatemala

(happen quite often in CA, 2 Ws out of rez sig 1 vs 1, or my team kill their team with 1 W survive and I kindly ask for 1 vs 1

Conan The Castrater · Oct 30, 2005, 03:35 AM // 03:35

Whats with you people flaming the thread. Do you have so little of a life that you cant let us discuss something that you quite clearly dont understand. Who is forcing you to read this thread, if your not interested just press the little green back button on the top left hand corner of your effing screen and its over. I mean if I walked into one of those forums abour RPing I'd be like wtf but I'd go find something more interesting. Leave us to it.

Back to this rivetting intellectual discussion.

The answers simple: actually its one of the below, dont know which figures are correct. Note in the original question he said no tactics, just beating on each other. If he wants to start bringing skills into this, hes gotta define what he means by no tactics.

1. If hammer speed is 1.75 secs

Axe
Damage 15-22
Avg Damage 18.5
Attack Speed 1.33 secs
Avg dps = 18.5/1.33 = 13.9097744360

Hammer
Damage 19-35
Avg Damage 27
Attack Speed 1.75 secs
Avg dps = 27/1.75 = 15.4285714285

Winner = Hammer by a mile (even if u consider unsubstantiated rumours axe somehow inflicts more critical hits)

2. If hammer speed is 2.00 secs

Axe
Damage 15-22
Avg Damage 18.5
Attack Speed 1.33 secs
Avg dps = 18.5/1.33 = 13.9097744360

Hammer
Damage 19-35
Avg Damage 27
Attack Speed 2 secs
Avg dps = 27/2 = 13.5

Winner = Axe

Can anyone confirm stats on attack speed of hammer so we can lay this to rest?

Savio · Oct 30, 2005, 03:41 AM // 03:41

Hammer speed is 1.75s, but that's irrelevant. The base damage DPS is irrelevant to the discussion. What's more important are the skills. At any rate, this thread was dead a while back...and it was rather pointless at that.

entropy · Oct 30, 2005, 04:37 AM // 04:37

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Originally Posted by Conan The Castrater

Whats with you people flaming the thread. Do you have so little of a life that you cant let us discuss something that you quite clearly dont understand. Who is forcing you to read this thread, if your not interested just press the little green back button on the top left hand corner of your effing screen and its over. I mean if I walked into one of those forums abour RPing I'd be like wtf but I'd go find something more interesting. Leave us to it.

Back to this rivetting intellectual discussion.

The answers simple: actually its one of the below, dont know which figures are correct. Note in the original question he said no tactics, just beating on each other. If he wants to start bringing skills into this, hes gotta define what he means by no tactics.

1. If hammer speed is 1.75 secs

Axe
Damage 15-22
Avg Damage 18.5
Attack Speed 1.33 secs
Avg dps = 18.5/1.33 = 13.9097744360

Hammer
Damage 19-35
Avg Damage 27
Attack Speed 1.75 secs
Avg dps = 27/1.75 = 15.4285714285

Winner = Hammer by a mile (even if u consider unsubstantiated rumours axe somehow inflicts more critical hits)

2. If hammer speed is 2.00 secs

Axe
Damage 15-22
Avg Damage 18.5
Attack Speed 1.33 secs
Avg dps = 18.5/1.33 = 13.9097744360

Hammer
Damage 19-35
Avg Damage 27
Attack Speed 2 secs
Avg dps = 27/2 = 13.5

Winner = Axe

Can anyone confirm stats on attack speed of hammer so we can lay this to rest?

Actually any skill should be able to be countered in a balanced game. So WTF are you talking about. Dmg is not the issue. Axe outdamages hammer. Hammer has knocklocks, Balanced stance beats knocklocks, wild blow beats balanced stance, Would they bring heals or only warrior skills... And so on and so forth. Its just plain stupid.

And do not talk s*** telling people they don't understand. For it is plain that you don't. Skills make up who wins or loses not pure dmg.

Conan The Castrater · Oct 30, 2005, 10:43 AM // 10:43

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Originally Posted by Prophecies Heleus

this fight will use no tatic or other just pure one on one strength allow can anyone tell me who will win

Despite his inability to spell tactic, he says no tactics, what else is using a set of skills?

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Originally Posted by entropy

Actually any skill should be able to be countered in a balanced game. So WTF are you talking about. Dmg is not the issue. Axe outdamages hammer. Hammer has knocklocks, Balanced stance beats knocklocks, wild blow beats balanced stance, Would they bring heals or only warrior skills... And so on and so forth. Its just plain stupid.

And do not talk s*** telling people they don't understand. For it is plain that you don't. Skills make up who wins or loses not pure dmg.

Get an attention span that stretches longer than 5 minutes and read the original f***ing post, not what the thread is turning out to be. This discussion has got absoloutely f*** all to do with tactics, f*** all to do with builds for PvP/PvE groups. And im talking s*** telling people they dont understand? Whats their motivation behind posting irreverent comments on fthread they have absolutely no interest in. Or is it normal practice for you to leave a message saying this thread sucks on every thread you walk into you see as useless?

This is a hypothetical question axe vs hammer, who will win, using no tactics. Somewhere along the line it will turn out to be useful to someone who just wants to know what has a higher base damage.

Lets keep this friendly people. Damn you guys are easy to piss offf or you just have some sort of superiority complex to make up for something telling these people their wasting their time. Let us waste it, we dont mind being retarded and talking bollocks and get rid of this thread from your subscribed list. REMOVE IT. NOW!!! Be strong.